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Winter 2009 / 2010 in Western Europe?

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« Reply #285 on: January 11, 2010, 05:28:03 pm »

Rain and sleet here all day and now it's snowing fairly heavily, seems like such a waste though in these milder temps, it aint going to sit.
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« Reply #286 on: January 11, 2010, 05:42:49 pm »

It's been light snow pellet flurries all day here.  Though it has been colder than I thought, and while I expected all the pavements to have melted they have turned to slush instead, which will no doubt freeze later on tonight...

I'm looking carefully out into the Atlantic now wondering what chaos late tuesday and wednesday will bring, will be intersting to see!  Grin
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« Reply #287 on: January 11, 2010, 08:34:36 pm »

13Z Update

The 06Z NAE is more similar to the ECM 12z and 00Z issues. The GFS is more bullish in pushing the front in a bit further before trough disruption occurs. There are going to be significant problems modelling the very potent jet core coming east North of the Azores. This needs precise modelling , too weak and the trough will disrupt to early, to strong and the model will disrupt too late. In the grand scheme of life this would normally not make much difference, however across the South tomorrow it makes a huge difference with regards Rain/Snow Mix. Any Snow in CS England is dependent on the wind backing Easterly (from SE'ly as the wind whilst will have cooled the WBFLs somewhat is still a wide portion of the Channel to cross hence southern coasts are likely to see rain & sleet, however if the wind back E'ly then Snow can be brought down to coastal areas.

Inland however a Sig Snow event looks possible for Exmoor, Dartmoor, North Devon, Somerset, Inland S Wales and as far NE as Bath, Bristol down to Salisbury. The GFS takes precip further east, However the ECMWF refuses to and has been very consisent in its positioning of the front by Weds Morning.

People should expect 5-10cm inland and 10-20cm on the moors and high ground. Sig accumulations may build up in inland CS England as the front grinds to a halt, but the precise phase mix by then as well as the orientation of the front by Weds Morning in assoc with any low in the Channel has BIG question marks. Highest totals appear from Exmoor across to Bath and to Yeovil as well as Dartmoor and the mountains of S Wales (though much progress North into Wales is questionable at this stage)

And before anyone asks - for those in this area (Bmth, Poole to Southampton) Its very Borderline... More likely Rain/Sleet - Possibility of Turning to Snow if a low can develop in the Channel at the right time and the wind comes more easterly.

Residual Rain,sleet and Snow is leaving N Ireland and SW Scotland.  WBFL's around 300-450m in this zone having entrained some higher DP less cold air from the North Sea, somewhat cooler lower DP air is advecting into the South and SE from France, though its been a pitfully slow process with little advection anywhere of the air over England today with about a +/- 0.8 def change in temp doing well !

Synoptically things are beginning to change, a very strong Jet Core is crossing the Atlantic at a low latitude and coming up against the cold block over Scandinavia, the exact strength and position of this jet very important to the subsequent shape of the upper trough as it comes into the SW approaches.  The ECM has been very consistent in the low turning to the North earlier and spinning it up to the west of Ireland and allowing an extending trough to be dragged ESE as the Jet overruns and punches into Iberia. The UKMO GM is / has been less keen on this idea and brings the low further into the SW, latest run has moved a little way towards the UKM but I still do not think its modelling the trough correctly. WV imagery indicates the low is moving to the West of Ireland, and supports the ECMWF.  Its pleasing to see the 12Z GFS move towards the ECMWF, though its perhaps a little fast.  The exact positioning of the low as it moves East is important - the latest trends indicate the low will run right through the Channel and then move towards KEnt and then Suffolk as it curls around and gets pushed north by another trough to the SW.  This is important is drags precip a little further east and more importantly backs the wind from the land across most of Southern England instead of the Sea so meaning its very difficult to call the rain/snow mix on the coasts but 20 miles inland Snow is much more likely.  Infact the ECM keeps rain/Snow going through most of Wednesday across SE and CS England with a slow rise in WBFL during the day from the SW, though the really milder air makes more progress North across Ireland than NE across England.

So the detail... Rain arriving in Cornwall during the morning and turning to Snow across Devon, Bodmin Moor, Dartmoor.  The SE coasts of Devon likely to see Sleet/ then a cold rain.  Inland across Devon the precip Snow, incl North Devon and Exmoor, arriving into SOmerset and S Wales during the afternoon, again sleet /rain on exposed SE Coasts and Snow inland.

Snow accumulations 3-8cm in most inland places of the SW, 10-15cm over the moors of SW England and the Mountains of S Wales 15-20cm isolated more.

Turning increasingly to rain across most of the SW during the late afternoon as WBFL's rise with much milder air into the SW by then - temps up to 6-8C

Now into the Evening we see the low forming in the English Channel and moving east, winds back easterly then ENE across CS England, Snow pushes into Somerset, Wiltshire, Bath, Bristol and Doret. Lighter amounts getting into Hants and Berks.  5-10cm inland across CS England, Coastal areas of CS England are very difficult, if the wind backs and the precip is heavy enough we could easily see snow,  GFS Forecast Ascents show Snow to the surface easily in heavy precip and more generally away from the Immidiete Coastal strip.  Its so dififcult to call and frankly for these CS Coastal areas we will just have to wait and see.  Inland its an easier story and forecast ascents more generally support snow - so some heavy falls in places - the snow quite wet and sticky.

Weds sees a cold and grey day across SE england with snow / sleet slowly turning to sleet/rain and turning grey and misty, temps slowly coming up but feeling very cold.  Much milder in the far SW and this milder air coming into West Wales  and creeping up the Irish SEa.  A slow process

Into Thurs and Fri and the Milder air pushes north right up the western side of the UK - temps 7-9C across the coastla SW by then and WEstern N Ireland IOM and Western Scotland, staying colder further east with a much slower temp rise.

Heavy Rain spreads east into the Weekend and this assisting a much quicker thaw, and it will clear the roads of salt, ice and grit - the front coming into the west but weakening as it moves east.

Looking longer ahead - the ECM remains very blocked again as its recent 12Z Runs have - Infact 12Z Runs in general have been shown a tendency for the block to extend west again. The ECM is very keen tonight, the GFS hints at this also with a developing cold pool heading west. 

The fact the ECM continues to hint at this means we need to take it seriously though the lack of agreement from the GFS and oither models makes this uncertain at this time. 

PJB

Fig 1 - Estimated Snow Depth Chart for EVent later tomorrow and into WEds - Estimates Only - not inplace of an official Chart.



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« Reply #288 on: January 11, 2010, 09:21:20 pm »

Interesting reports there Martin.  Its seems the 'weather' isn't going to push as far north as me - oh well!  I'll still have my eye on the weather websites though to see its progress...
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« Reply #289 on: January 12, 2010, 12:16:33 am »

From Irish Weather Network...

Forecast for Tuesday 12th Jan.

We have an active frontal system associated with a developing LP system that will move close to the SW coast by early morning on Tuesday. Strengthening SE'ly Gales or possibly Severe Gales for a time developing on the SW and southern coastline by 0300 Tuesday spreading to the west coast and possibly the east coast on Tuesday morning and later the NW.

Heavy rain will push onto the SW coast soon after midnight and quickly spread NE through the country.
Snow melt over the southern half of the country and with 30-40mm rainfall will lead to some flooding in places.

There is a slight snow risk for the lower lying areas of the midlands, parts of the north and NW with a higher risk of snow for higher ground for a time. Accumulations of snow if any will be short lived as some maritime air moves north with the precip turning any snow falling back to rain at lower levels.

However, there could be a substantial amount of snow over 350m early in the south for a time and over the Wicklow mountains in particular before the snowline increases here also.
Some wet snow could settle at elevations lower than this (350m) in the heavier precip in hilly and mountainous regions.

Mountains of the North and NW could receive several hours of snow above 250m as the front slows down it's progression northwards.

There is also a short risk of some freezing rain for a time preceding the front more particularly in the N Midlands and North.

Temperatures will range from 1C to 4C in the northern half of the country with a general rise in the south with temps between 4 to 7C or 8C in the SW later in the day. Dewpoints increase during the day also.
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« Reply #290 on: January 12, 2010, 09:39:46 pm »

UKww Weather Warning – Heavy Snow & blizzards, Tues 12th-Weds 13th Jan

Valid from: 1200z Tuesday 12th - 2359z Wednesday 13th January 2010

Areas affected: SW & CS England, westernmost Midlands, Wales, Northern Ireland

General evolution: High pressure centered over Scandanavia and extending out to the north of the UK drifts away ENE, but cold air still remains in place over the UK. Developing low pressure in the Atlantic off NW Spain is engaged by powerful jetstreak and becomes a strong, perhaps briefly sub-970mb depression, expected to be centered off SW Ireland by 1200 Tuesday and then moving northwards off the W seaboard of Ireland, only filling slowly. Associated fronts make inroads into western areas before decaying later on Wednesday.

Forecast:

During Tuesday, cloud and rain will arrive in the morning to affect western Cornwall. The frontal rainband turns to sleet and snow as it moves NE, pushing across Wales on Tuesday afternoon/evening, then becoming slow-moving on Tuesday night. During Wednesday daytime, the frontal rainband will be working its way into the Midlands and CS England, but will begin to decay in intensity, with precipitation dying out on Wednesday night as the front clears away eastwards.

Snow will be moderately heavy at times but more importantly it will be prolonged: amounts will be greatest on high ground where 15-25cm are possible e.g. over the SW moors and the Welsh mountains. More widely, falls of 5-15cm are expected, exceptions being the Welsh coast and lower-lying/coastal parts of SW England, SW Wales and Northern Ireland, where sleet or rain are expected to be dominant.

Strong to gale-force south to south-easterly winds will be gusting 40-50 (very locally 60)mph in exposed places. Drifting of snow is likely to be a problem in exposed places, with blizzard conditions likely over the higher ground. Disruption to travel is likely to occur in the worst affected areas.

Conditions should ease from the west during Wednesday, but travel problems could take some time to sort out in the worst affected areas.

If you need to travel then please check the latest advisories and keep a winter travel kit in your vehicle.

For checking out where there is rain, sleet or snow the following link may be useful:

UKww will monitor this Warning and update it if necessary.

Issued by JSM for UKww, 1130Z 11/01/2010
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« Reply #291 on: January 13, 2010, 07:22:33 am »

Well I was woken by my mobile ringing this morning to tell me school is closed, again, due to more snow.  It's still dark here so it's difficult to see how much we have.  All the main roads are clear, but have wheel tracks down them and everywhere else has a blanket of white.  I guess there's probably another inch or so...

Looks like the frontal band is going to be over the top of me for some time yet so will be somemore accumulations yet I guess.  Keep you posted! Smiley
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« Reply #292 on: January 13, 2010, 02:37:55 pm »

Well just after lunch now and it's been snowing steadily for 12 hours.  Certainly in my immediate area there seems to be about 4" of fresh snow.  Locally I suspect this may go up to 6".  On the usual 'thaw surfaces' a melt is taking place, given the current temp is around freezing, in a couple of hours time when it starts going dark and temperatures fall below it is going to be very icy!
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« Reply #293 on: January 14, 2010, 12:16:53 am »

It snowed here all last night, heavy too, and blown by a keen wind, however it never stayed on the ground at all. This evening there has been sleet and very tiny snow flakes falling, at times I thought there was freezing rain but can't be sure. There's alot of surface water on the roads and mist making for poor visiblity when driving.
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« Reply #294 on: January 14, 2010, 07:12:22 am »

There's alot of surface water on the roads and mist making for poor visiblity when driving.

Sounds like the main roads round here - today we get the thaw setting in!
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« Reply #295 on: January 14, 2010, 01:39:41 pm »

Nothing unusual here during recent days: temperature is near zero or slightly below, getnly snowing on every day, the amount of snow on the ground is slowly increasing (now 15cm).
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« Reply #296 on: January 14, 2010, 09:45:51 pm »

Met O have a severe weather warning out for Sat...

There is a moderate risk of severe weather affecting western parts of the UK during Saturday.

Heavy rain will move in from the west accompanied by strong to gale force winds. Rainfall accumulations of 15 to 25 mm are expected widely, with up to 40 mm on high ground. With melting snow and ground still frozen in places there is a risk of localised flooding.

There's also a risk of freezing rain for parts of the UK on Fri - also from the Met O - very rare to see that mentioned!
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« Reply #297 on: January 15, 2010, 06:09:43 pm »

14-day forecast... What can I say?!!   Lips sealed

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« Reply #298 on: January 15, 2010, 06:55:39 pm »

UKww Weather Watch for Storm winds, heavy rain & local flooding

Issued Friday 15/01/10 1745GMT

Areas affected by Watch - N Ireland, NW, west, SW Scotland & the Scottish Highlands, central & W Wales, NW England

Valid from: 1800GMT Friday 15th January - 2359GMT Saturday 16th January

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A deep low is moving north west of Ireland bringing a tight pressure gradient, strong winds and mild moist air quickly north across all parts of the UK
Forecast: During Friday evening, winds increasing across extreme west Scotland along with N Ireland to severe gale and locally storm force. Gusts of 70-80mph are possible over the more exposed Western Isles. Winds abating by morning. Road users are advised to take extra care.Along with the winds heavy rain will move up across W Wales, NW England and western Scotland especially; 35mm is possible in the period, may be 50mm on high ground. This will exacerbate snow melt in many areas and could cause localised flooding. This is perhaps most likely on the valley floors of central west Wales, lowlands of Cumbria, and W Scotland valleys and glens.  Travel may become difficult and we advise listening to local radio for updates. 

UKww will monitor this Warning and update it if necessary.

Issued by DJW for UKww, 1745z 15/01/10

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« Reply #299 on: January 15, 2010, 08:52:55 pm »

Thats a great looking forecast there Roman Smiley What do the symbols mean for the 22nd and 23rd?

Its pretty rough outside now with very gusty winds especially associated with the last few heavy showers.
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